Laziness is the mother of invention

[creepster]

a side note on chinese/japanese food and cooking: hurray for iron chef !


besides that, now im craving ika nigiri, tekka maki and unagi maki
damn you guys *shakes fist*

[relaxin]

Hey, wind77, you have touched a tender nerve on Japanese. Most Japanese deny that they migrated from China in Qing Dynasty. They did come to China to learn a lot of things (such as writing and cooking) in Tang Dynasty.

creepster, relax, you drank too much coffee.

[wind77]

Hey, wind77, you have touched a tender nerve on Japanese. Most Japanese deny that they migrated from China in Qing Dynasty. They did come to China to learn a lot of things (such as writing and cooking) in Tang Dynasty.

I'm afraid the actual history of Japan is much longer than Qing Dynasty.
Japan was called "Fu Shang" in ancient time.
It was believed that they're group of people who have moved out from mainland to escape from the violent authority at that time.
Exactly what time, I've no idea.
Personally, I believe it could be Qin Emperor time, however, again I have no evidence to support this statement.

[wind77]

besides that, now im craving ika nigiri, tekka maki and unagi maki
damn you guys *shakes fist*

Hmm, i like Hana Maki - salmon fish wrap around rice, mixed with Mayonesse sauce. the juicy raw salmon, with the mayo removing the stinky fish smell, gives the best taste and texture.

Of course, not to forget Unagi Maki.
Cooked eel, a very thick piece placed on top of rice, with some teriyaki sauce, this could lure u to table without the intention to move away!

And not to forget Fried Tofu.
Probably the most common dish, which essentially is tofu being fried, served with teriyaki sauce. However, the unique part is the tofu used is highly smooth, and soft, not the ordinary tofu. When fried, the exterior is crispy, yet, the inner part is smooth and silky feeling. Together with teriyaki sauce, this dish creates a "just-nice" taste - not too salty, not too plain, not oily, yet smooth.

Some pic available here: http://www.sakaesushi.com.sg/menu.php

[creepster]

... too tasty to repeat ...

did you ever think of a career change and go into food advertisement ?

[relaxin]

You are right, wind77. There are no evidence to support that Japanese migrated from China, except for the record of 6,000 boys and girls immigrated to Japan in Qin Dynasty. Linguistically and culturally, Japanese are more related to Indonesians and Koreans. For those who are interested, please check the following link:
http://www.jref.com/culture/origins_jap ... ople.shtml

[wind77]

did you ever think of a career change and go into food advertisement ?

ah..
ads/marketing is definitely not my line.
I'm not used to deceive, cheats and lies.
I'm just giving facts, and where applicable, i'd make sure people know it's my humble personal view.

But hey, my interest is cooking.
Yeah, u got the important point? Just cooking, not washing of dish plates, utensils.
Which means i seldom cook, cuz none will wash.

[wind77]

You are right, wind77. There are no evidence to support that Japanese migrated from China, except for the record of 6,000 boys and girls immigrated to Japan in Qin Dynasty. Linguistically and culturally, Japanese are more related to Indonesians and Koreans. For those who are interested, please check the following link:
http://www.jref.com/culture/origins_jap ... ople.shtml

Hmm.. a few ambiguous points worth to be debated:
1. Japanese never been able to develop a strong naval fleet to allow the travelling from Japan island to S.E.A., according to history. The furthest they went, was back to mainland - China.
2. Indonesia and Malaysia are believed to be native of the land. Skin is dark, which is typical colour for tropical country. Japanese has lighter skin colour. Indonesia and Malaysia also ha less developed linguistic system.
3. About the use of words which exhibit similarity, even chinese has the same greeting: goodbye, bon voyage, etc. And should such words be indicative of historical relation, then i suppose even Chinese is related to American?
4. Religion wise, monk is known to be a social phenomenon in ancient Japan: monks walking around in the street, begging money, helping people, attaining the "way". However, no monk was ever seen in Ancient Malaysia or Indonesia. Other Japan religion is more towards natural phenomenon, while Indonesia is more towards forest and spiritual.

[creepster]

i know somebody who had only two sets of each (plates, bowls, cups, cuttlery) because then you are forced to do the dish washing instantly, and doing only two plates is not that big of a deal!

the solution (although not environment-friendly) would be to just buy paper plates

ps: advertisement isnt only lieing, just selectively telling the truth or missing other facts
or just advertise a product you are really confident about

[wind77]

hmm.. surely wok cannot be paper-made?

[mchlbrmn]

Hey, I looked at that link about Japanese being linguistically related to Indonesians/Malay. It's just the impression of someone who says s/he is not a linquist but knows a few words of Indonesian and noticed similarities to Japanese. He says the Malays migrated down from China, which I have read before. If there's a genetic link to Japanese it's probably from China. Culturally Malays/Indonesians are in the midst of important trade routes so have picked up lots of influences, and some could be second hand and not necessarily directly from Japan.

About skin color, I wonder how long it takes to evolve a darker skin color after a people migrate south. I can't remember, but I think the Malays may have migrated down a couple of thousand yrs ago, +/- one. Their skin color is not nearly as dark as some africans, but perhaps it was headed that way. The Malay penninsula/Indonesia are near the equator, so they have as much sun as Africa. Their could be other factors affecting the selective pressure on skin color, such as types of dress, amount of activity outdoors in the mid-day, and diet and amount of antioxidants or protective substances.

You are right, wind77. There are no evidence to support that Japanese migrated from China, except for the record of 6,000 boys and girls immigrated to Japan in Qin Dynasty. Linguistically and culturally, Japanese are more related to Indonesians and Koreans. For those who are interested, please check the following link:
http://www.jref.com/culture/origins_jap ... ople.shtml

Hmm.. a few ambiguous points worth to be debated:
1. Japanese never been able to develop a strong naval fleet to allow the travelling from Japan island to S.E.A., according to history. The furthest they went, was back to mainland - China.
2. Indonesia and Malaysia are believed to be native of the land. Skin is dark, which is typical colour for tropical country. Japanese has lighter skin colour. Indonesia and Malaysia also ha less developed linguistic system.
3. About the use of words which exhibit similarity, even chinese has the same greeting: goodbye, bon voyage, etc. And should such words be indicative of historical relation, then i suppose even Chinese is related to American?
4. Religion wise, monk is known to be a social phenomenon in ancient Japan: monks walking around in the street, begging money, helping people, attaining the "way". However, no monk was ever seen in Ancient Malaysia or Indonesia. Other Japan religion is more towards natural phenomenon, while Indonesia is more towards forest and spiritual.

[relaxin]

He says the Malays migrated down from China, which I have read before. If there's a genetic link to Japanese it's probably from China.

Genetic anthropologists will soon determine whether Japanese is more related to Koreans or Malaysians using gene markers. But I can say that there would be no link to Chinese. As Chinese migrated southward, the Malaysians moved out to the islands of Indonesia, from there they migrated to Polynesian islands, and probably to Japan.

As for the skin color, it is directly related to sun exposure. My former professor came from England, but after living in Hawaii for twenty years he was much darker than the tourists from Japan.

[mchlbrmn]

LOL, I don't think we were talking about suntans!

No link of who to Chinese, Japanese? I doubt Japanese came from Malaysia/Polynesia, I've never heard anythink like that before. Malaysians are far more mellow.

He says the Malays migrated down from China, which I have read before. If there's a genetic link to Japanese it's probably from China.

Genetic anthropologists will soon determine whether Japanese is more related to Koreans or Malaysians using gene markers. But I can say that there would be no link to Chinese. As Chinese migrated southward, the Malaysians moved out to the islands of Indonesia, from there they migrated to Polynesian islands, and probably to Japan.

As for the skin color, it is directly related to sun exposure. My former professor came from England, but after living in Hawaii for twenty years he was much darker than the tourists from Japan.

[relaxin]

Malaysians are far more mellow.

Of course, they are living in the tropic where food is plenty and temperature is high (that causes sleepiness). BUT, if they move to the north, it is survival of the fittest. They will become samurais.

[wind77]

BUT, if they move to the north, it is survival of the fittest. They will become samurais.

in this case, do u consider China people as samurai?